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The posters on that thread seem to be doing a fine job taking care of things. I'd leave it.
126 posted on 02/26/2002 5:27 PM PST by WillaJohns
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LOL! I have a queer brother too. Hmmm, are we related?
Sandy
127 posted on 02/26/2002 5:28 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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La Voz de Aztlan is Stormfront with a tan.
128 posted on 02/26/2002 5:29 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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'BUSH INVITES ACTOR MEL GIBSON TO WHITE HOUSE."
Removed from Breaking News
Red
129 posted on 02/26/2002 5:29 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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Regarding #24 on that thread you just posted; Huh?
130 posted on 02/26/2002 5:31 PM PST by abner
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taken from a whacko anti-Semitic website
That one I'd pull.
131 posted on 02/26/2002 5:32 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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You are spot on with that analysis. When I look at the latest posts page and I see some of the vanities posted there, I cringe and hope no one "important" is reading.
132 posted on 02/26/2002 5:32 PM PST by diotima
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Regarding #1I don't want my contributions to this site going to give an audience to a website that spouts crap like "Demonic biological research at Nes Ziona, Israel - Is Israel harvesting organs of Palestinian youths? "
Why is this still up? Are you trying to chase people away?
133 posted on 02/26/2002 5:32 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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Except that a black person cannot and should not be able to use the N word on FR. "Queer" has other connotations.
134 posted on 02/26/2002 5:33 PM PST by AppyPappy
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Agreed. I didn't get it.
135 posted on 02/26/2002 5:33 PM PST by diotima
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This is fun. Maybe we can do this again on slow days.
136 posted on 02/26/2002 5:34 PM PST by WillaJohns
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Posters are taking shots at a freeper who's apparently sitting in the cornner at the moment. Someone hit the button to protest the unfairness of it all.
137 posted on 02/26/2002 5:34 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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The underlying factor when we pull any post is how would this post be viewed by the general public. You have to remember, FR is a huge force in the conservative movement. Do we want FR to be wacko or fringe? Or do you want FR to be THE mainstream alternative? Remember, we are fighting liberals.
Absolutely. I agree with you 100%. I'm not arguing with any moderators. You guys are doing a fine job.
I must be really lousy at getting my point across.
138 posted on 02/26/2002 5:34 PM PST by abner
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Regarding #41"In fact, the two previous threads were yanked primarily because of Julia Louis Dreyfus"
Never mind, let me round up some people
139 posted on 02/26/2002 5:34 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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The immigration threads are one source of questionable posts. There are many topics. The question is, what is a legitimate political topic and what is some fringe group invading FR for the sole purpose of spreading their anti-flavor-of-the-month hate topic. Many think if they can post here, their beliefs are mainstream. Has anyone considered it from that point of view.
Sandy
140 posted on 02/26/2002 5:34 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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Judgement calls have to be made when it comes to assessing language. In my opinion, judgements should only be made in the areas of racism, antisemitism, violence or personal abuse. I think 85% of your calls will come under PA. In my opinion, if you're evenhanded on how it is handled, you can always cite this as a legitimate reason for pulling a post or thread.
Make a topic called "Rants,Raves and Tinfoil Sandbox", move all the BS into there, don't allow ANY personal abuse of others, and your job may get easier.
141 posted on 02/26/2002 5:34 PM PST by Bob J
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Um, this IS a slow day...
Red
142 posted on 02/26/2002 5:35 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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Nah. "Tar and feather and ride out of town on a rail" strikes me as rhetoric, not an incitement to violence.
143 posted on 02/26/2002 5:35 PM PST by Interesting Times
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Thanks. Wow, that is the dumbest one yet.
144 posted on 02/26/2002 5:36 PM PST by abner
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In a rapidly unravelling investigation by the FBI, it appears that the "Arab-hating-Jew" was behind a vile conspiracy to frame a colleague who was born in Egypt and who worked, along with Dr. Zack, at the U.S. Army's Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases in Fort Detrick, Md.
The phraseology of this articles comments drives me to distraction. The problem is, that we have no way of knowing how much of this article is true. And yet imbedded within the first few sentences is what I consider a "deal breaker". I make a concious decision to read articles from opposing points of view. But there are limits to what I'll waste my time on. If the guy starts out saying he's an "Arab-hating-Jew" I don't need to go on to know that this article is biased.
The article could have said, "So and so is suspected of trying to frame another individual for the anthrax letters." What the heck has race got to do with it? If I tried to frame JimRob for hiking BobJ's shorts up to his arm pits, would it need to be mentioned that I'm Irish and he's German? Who cares?
I do consider the mention of trying to make Islamic's look like the perps to be relevant. But that point can be made without the telltale rhetoric. This article loses me right out of the gate. I'd dump it. I'd dump it because it's questionable and from a questionable site too boot.
Some of you on this forum know that I am quite animated when it comes to illegal immigration. I would suggest you take a look at the site this article comes from. It is very pro-middle eastern Arab point of view, to the point of being quite vile. That's part of the reason that I don't view this immigration issue in simple terms of poor people looking for a better life. There's more to this movement than that. And I think this site reveals that. At least it sure makes me scratch my head.
145 posted on 02/26/2002 5:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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Making fun of timed-out poster's freep name, Luis, and using a photo to attempt a gender insult. Stupid.
146 posted on 02/26/2002 5:36 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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Do we want FR to be wacko or fringe? Or do you want FR to be THE mainstream alternative?
That's a fine line. One mans whacko is another mans mainstream. For example, most people who examine the evidence -- solid, grounded people like Common Tator, for example -- realize that Flight 800 was not brought down by a 'center tank spark'. Not when over 700 people witnessed a smoke trail rising from the sea level, and when two of those people are National Air Guardsmen in a plane at the time when one of those people specialized in missile identification.
So, lots of people would call this healthy level of doubt 'whacko'. I think FR can be both mainstream AND a place where government doctrine can be challenged. When the feds lie, lets root it out.
147 posted on 02/26/2002 5:37 PM PST by Lazamataz
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Since you're so willing to hand out raises, I'll take a 1000% increase. It's settled, call me Sandy
148 posted on 02/26/2002 5:37 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I didn't get that far into it. But that's the type of stuff that shows up on that site. I'd definately boot the sucker! And if the guy that posted it gave me much grief, his butt would be cooling somewhere down the internet.
149 posted on 02/26/2002 5:38 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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I guess I should give you some background on that one, because it appears the **** is about to hit the fan.
One poster had ignored some warnings the other day and got a short suspension (I think it was a day). Now, since the original complaint wasn't acted upon by y'all, the poster has decided to round up some friends and based on those two ARs they are probably going to start flaming the hell out of someone. Tim
150 posted on 02/26/2002 5:40 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I used the example to illustrate that Black people call themselves the N word, but white people do not get the same privilage. Same with the Q word, it is perceived as derogatory term if the user is not gay. Because of this I personally do not use it.
If you use the word to mean "strange" rather than gay people, then it is OK.
151 posted on 02/26/2002 5:41 PM PST by diotima
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Very. Tim
152 posted on 02/26/2002 5:42 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I have considered that. The article we are just now discussing is one of them. The anti-Israel bias in that sucker is amazing. Israel isn't perfect, but I don't think they're harvesting Arab children's organs. Sheesh.
153 posted on 02/26/2002 5:42 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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Make a topic called "Rants,Raves and Tinfoil Sandbox", move all the BS into there, don't allow ANY personal abuse of others,
I disagree with your zero-tolerance formula. When discussing politics, things get heated. Jim Robinson has done a splendid job with a popular forum, and he allows a certain level of heated exchanges and "personal attacks". He also quashes excessive levels of angry post exchanges or thread-to-thread 'stalking'. OTOH, Lucianne.com does not and her forum is a fraction of the size and popularity. People like the freedom to get angry occasionally.
154 posted on 02/26/2002 5:42 PM PST by Lazamataz
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We post on the AR many times: No action.
That clues other mod's that we have looked and believe the AR is irrevalent.
It's a rarity...sarcasm>ditto<>
155 posted on 02/26/2002 5:42 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I don't particularly care for the word either, but realize that like a lot of words in the English language they can and sometimes do have dual meaning, depending, of course, on how they are used.
Also, taking someone out, tarring and feathering them, can be and mean verbal assault. It does not necessarilly promote violence, though there are those take everything literally, most realize that it is an old fashioned phrase and one that is not taken seriously.
As to the blatant racist remarks, yes, yank them. The people who make them know that is what they are doing and that they intend the remarks to start a flame war.
The same thing goes for the direct attacks on a persons intellect, character and family and friends. They need to be pulled - no explantion need for either of these types of remarks.
Perhaps though each time the article or post is yanked for one of the last two reasons, the three rules that JimRob has established and listed can be sent to the offender.
156 posted on 02/26/2002 5:42 PM PST by dixie sass
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since the original complaint wasn't acted upon by y'all
That's mostly because it took about 20 minutes to figure the darn thing OUT. Not having the background info, we were mostly in "Huh?" mode.
157 posted on 02/26/2002 5:43 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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More power to you. What a headache! I had no idea...
It's insanity. And these moderators WILLINGLY do this. There are no Viet Cong forcing them. =:^o
158 posted on 02/26/2002 5:44 PM PST by Lazamataz
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I've never scanned for a key word in the title and missed a prior post.
It's happened to me but I attribute it to my atrocious spelling. If I can't cut and paste, well... it can be ugly.
When I do find I've posted a duplicate, I hit abuse and ask that it be removed. It usually is removed if I caught my error before there are too many replies.
I use the abuse button often. Normally it's for one of three reasons. A Breaking News item that doesn't belong there, a duplicate post where it was obvious the poster didn't bother to do a search and obscene comments.
159 posted on 02/26/2002 5:44 PM PST by JeanS
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OK, D1. I am pulling it.
For everyone else, here is one thing I am going to do. If anyone wants to make a decision, please say final answer, and give me the specific AR (by post number on this thread) that the decision is on. Thanks, Tim
160 posted on 02/26/2002 5:45 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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It's happened to me but I attribute it to my atrocious spelling.
Thats attroscious. ;^)
161 posted on 02/26/2002 5:45 PM PST by Lazamataz
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LOL! For sure! I swear, I didn't see it in Breaking News! Honest.
Sandy
162 posted on 02/26/2002 5:46 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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Is that Mr. Gonzales? He's a tough cookie at times. I don't like the idea of dumping on someone when they're banned. I will mention this though. If it is LG, he's the guy who went around the mulberry bush to call me Hitlereske the other day. And he did it after I promised not to contribute to the thread any longer.
I'd issue a warning for people to knock it off.
163 posted on 02/26/2002 5:47 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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By the way, Ron. No one here noticed during that whole time that that was up in breaking news. Tim
164 posted on 02/26/2002 5:47 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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You will regret this. The only thing worse than effective rule by fiat is ineffective rule by committee.
165 posted on 02/26/2002 5:47 PM PST by IronJack
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Good idea, but half the poster seem to think that the only way that they will get their article seen and replied to is by changing the headlines.
There have been times when I have not been able to find anything relating to the article I wish to post, posted it and then be notified that it was already out there. Frustrating, to say the least. There is one word that does seem to appear in quite a few titles and that is "barf". Maybe, hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
166 posted on 02/26/2002 5:47 PM PST by dixie sass
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I feel like I am playing Russian Roulette with the forum's head.
167 posted on 02/26/2002 5:47 PM PST by diotima
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By the way, I think this is an excellent way to point out the nature of your task -- that making everybody happy isn't an option.
For what it's worth, my own preference is for moderation with a light hand, nuking only posts that are clear-cut examples of personal abuse, threats or racism, and letting the rest slide.
One exception I'd make is to whack posters who consistently work to damage or discredit FR. I'm not talking about those who disagree with moderator policy or ask a few hard questions, but the serious leftist disruptors and antifreepers.
168 posted on 02/26/2002 5:48 PM PST by Interesting Times
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"When I look at the latest posts page and I see some of the vanities posted there, I cringe and hope no one "important" is reading."
But if we pull, we are the bad guys even if the thread meets all the posting requirements. Never mind if it's a thread about someone having sex with llamas.
Sandy
169 posted on 02/26/2002 5:49 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I will say that reasoned anger is different that full blown rage. As long as it's kept in check, I'm for the occasionable spat. They key is generally whether there's one cool head. If both get to trading escalating shots, it can go postal quick.
170 posted on 02/26/2002 5:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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M.- Trust me I am far from being critical.
But imagine what happens when things like that break out and it just so happens none of us are online at the moment? Same thing. Tim
171 posted on 02/26/2002 5:50 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I think this thread could be the reason for that. Grin...
172 posted on 02/26/2002 5:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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Never mind if it's a thread about someone having sex with llamas.
HEY! That was MY thread! He had a severed penis because of Brittany Spear's stance on her favorite rock and roll album, so we made moose and cheese references for days.
173 posted on 02/26/2002 5:52 PM PST by Lazamataz
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"This is fun. Maybe we can do this again on slow days."
Saturdays and Sundays are the slowest AR days. This is normal for us.
174 posted on 02/26/2002 5:52 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I hit the abuse button on him the other day when he threatened to plant his boot in your patoot (not to mention calling you senile, and a bunch of other slurs).
I was amazed at your control on that thread.
175 posted on 02/26/2002 5:52 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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Spelng? That's a continual battle for me.
176 posted on 02/26/2002 5:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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Please remeber, many comments are general in content. If you ask a question, be sure, 3-4 others would have asked the same.
Sandy
177 posted on 02/26/2002 5:54 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I will say that reasoned anger is different that full blown rage. As long as it's kept in check, I'm for the occasionable spat.
Right. Including a little ad hominum. After all, this is no formal debating society, and sometimes someone is so absurd, you really MUST point out the absurdity. I remember Ilbay was telling Travis McGee, Squantos, and harpseal -- battle hardened veterans, all -- that they were wrong about military tactics issues.
His credentials? He was captain of his High School Debating Team.
Well, naturally, the thread DISSOLVED into catcalls, laughter, and mockery. And this is an example of when "personal attacks" are warranted and shame the Freeper in question into some level of connection with reality.
178 posted on 02/26/2002 5:56 PM PST by Lazamataz
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We had a lot of feedback that not everyone follows FR all day and that they don't have time to go back and look at every article. So.... we sort of compromised
I don't like this. The search feature is simple and well explained on the posting page. No one needs to go back and look at every article.
179 posted on 02/26/2002 5:58 PM PST by JeanS
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Do not see where this is "Mormon bashing". From the further posts that I scanned, I saw people asking for information about the LDS church. Did I miss something?
180 posted on 02/26/2002 5:58 PM PST by dixie sass
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I have mixed feelings about the initial proposal. The positives are, a little heat comes off you. The negatives are, some heat comes on us. I'm all for the former and adamantly opposed to the latter.
If you do engage in this experiment, I am likely to observe only for a while.
181 posted on 02/26/2002 5:58 PM PST by Lazamataz
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Any FABbers listening to RadioFR?
182 posted on 02/26/2002 5:59 PM PST by Bob J
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Believe me, I agree with you totally. But, it's easier to accept what is than try to convince 60,000+ other new Freepers of that :o)
Red
183 posted on 02/26/2002 6:00 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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You can do it while you FABFReep...
CLICK HERE TO FABFREEP AND LISTEN TO RFR AT THE SAME TIME!
184 posted on 02/26/2002 6:00 PM PST by Bob J
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Not to my eyes. Tim
185 posted on 02/26/2002 6:01 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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Yes, O'androgenous one.
186 posted on 02/26/2002 6:01 PM PST by abner
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Laz:
This is not a long term proposal. It is a learning exercise for the FAB and a sanity check for the moderators.
Tim
187 posted on 02/26/2002 6:02 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I don't like the idea of dumping on someone when they're banned.
Agreed, but the "abuse" was just a photo of the actress from Seinfeld. Yawn.
Since apparently this is a multi-day feud, however, that's probably reason enough to issue one small cold bucket to the flamers: CHILL already. That's it.
Maybe someone could come up with a bucket of cold water graphic as a message from the Moderator to quiet flame wars. Could act as a wordless genial reminder.
188 posted on 02/26/2002 6:02 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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You have no idea how much those threads drain me. I did not like where it was taking place, yet I felt it was an important issue. Sometimes it takes me about 36 hours to wind down after those suckers. If I were able to take my left hand from behind my back, it would help. There's no release for the energy.
About three months ago I got involved in one of the drug legalization threads. Within about twenty posts, I made three or four responses that matched the type of stuff the rabid Libertarian fringe exhibit. I was wrong. I knew I was wrong, so I appologized and promised to stay around and debate.
First of all, none of them realized that my behavior was simply a mirror of what these particular folks did all the time.
For at least two solid hours possibly as long as three or four, I don't remmeber, I stayed there while seven to ten people teed off on me. I responded to two main people while the other five to eight people called me about every name you could think of.
I know that if a newbee had been put in that position they'd have exited this forum so forcefully they'd have gone through the wall behind them.
That bothers me. I can take it. Others wouldn't put up with that for two minutes.
189 posted on 02/26/2002 6:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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Agreed. When Jim would go into a thread and say "Knock it off", it was pretty effective. Of course, the mods don't have Jim's imposing stature.
190 posted on 02/26/2002 6:04 PM PST by Bob J
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The only thing worse than effective rule by fiat is ineffective rule by committee.
I think the point of this is supposed to be sort of a "walk a mile in our mocassins" lesson from the moderators. It's a good one.
191 posted on 02/26/2002 6:04 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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Are they not simply reiterating what has already been said in the article? I wouldn't pull.
192 posted on 02/26/2002 6:05 PM PST by dixie sass
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Its too bad you the mod's can't post a message on the screen in the middle of a flame war. Something like "Don't even think about it" would come up and flash at them.
193 posted on 02/26/2002 6:05 PM PST by diotima
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NEW AR
Regarding #220Jim DOESN'T have the time or the postitional "room" to regularly contribute his philosophical and political takes anymore.
PRAISE GOD!
220 posted on 2/26/02 6:58 PM Pacific by alcuin
If this isn't a post that should be deleted(let alone banning this ass)I don't know is.
194 posted on 02/26/2002 6:07 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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Trust me I am far from being critical.
Oh, I didn't take it that way at all. I was making the same point, that it is very hard to moderate when one happens upon a "situation" cold.
195 posted on 02/26/2002 6:07 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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I try to be careful what corner I paint myself into. Some of the toughest debates have to do with things you can't prove, but you have a gut feeling that what your defending/criticizing is right/wrong. If it happens to be military, Bush, or other touchy issue related, the fur can fly for sure.
196 posted on 02/26/2002 6:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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The point is, it's a fine line. I agree. I'd consider who made the post and what source the post came from before I'd pull it. Integrity of the poster and the source has to be considered when making a decision. If that position was sited from Sam Fransis, would it hold as much credibity?
Sandy
197 posted on 02/26/2002 6:08 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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"QUEER ACCEPTING RINO."
Oh geez, when I first read that I thought it said "Queer Accepting RENO." I was about to cheer! </joy off>
198 posted on 02/26/2002 6:08 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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It is a learning exercise for the FAB and a sanity check for the moderators.
Well, I doubt there is one FAB who does not know your situation, and as far as sanity check -- I understand that. Reality checks are important.
However, I think most of us stand up for ya. I beat on some Ratowsky guy for dissing you guys the other day, for example.
199 posted on 02/26/2002 6:09 PM PST by Lazamataz
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I like it.
200 posted on 02/26/2002 6:09 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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The point is, it's a fine line. I agree. I'd consider who made the post and what source the post came from before I'd pull it. Integrity of the poster and the source has to be considered when making a decision. If that position was sited from Sam Fransis, would it hold as much credibity?
You, I think, have a very good sense of this. I think these sort of factors play into the decision. Even credible evidence, if coming from Jeff Rense's site, makes this a 'Jeff Rense Clone' if we don't kill those sources. So, Sandy, I think you have just about a perfect sense for this.
201 posted on 02/26/2002 6:11 PM PST by Lazamataz
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I don't think Jim minds a good roasting from time to time. If it were to become a series of deragitory statements, I think the post and person(s) should go. That's just my take.
202 posted on 02/26/2002 6:12 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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So, where is the "line"?
Sandy
203 posted on 02/26/2002 6:13 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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post a message on the screen in the middle of a flame war. Something like "Don't even think about it" would come up and flash at them.
I like it!!
With the technical magic that gets worked here, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see that capability someday!
204 posted on 02/26/2002 6:13 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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Jim has told us we would receive 3/4 of your weekly pay. We are patiently waiting for that huge bonus.
205 posted on 02/26/2002 6:15 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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So far, I personally would have only handled the queer thing differently. I would not have posted the warning to the thread. Each other decision so far I agree with (but the Aztlan would have come down faster- I have seen that site many times before). Tim.
206 posted on 02/26/2002 6:15 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I don't always understand this guys posts to start with. I would say let it go and have the people beat up him.
207 posted on 02/26/2002 6:16 PM PST by diotima
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shhhh, don't tell, but JeanS is one of "them".
Sandy
208 posted on 02/26/2002 6:16 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I would judge based on the history of the poster, the length, number seriousness of the flame. I'm willing to concede that this person obviously doesn't care much for the forum, or Jim, so they probably deserve to go. I'm just not sure I'd give them their "Red Flag of Courage" for such a stupid post. If more appeared I'd jetison their posterior in a moment.
Others might do it for this one post. Couldn't say they were wrong to do so.
209 posted on 02/26/2002 6:17 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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Jim DOESN'T have the time or the postitional "room" to regularly contribute his philosophical and political takes anymore. PRAISE GOD! 220 posted on 2/26/02 6:58 PM Pacific by alcuin
Yeah, I'd delete that. Jerk. Don't burp in the host's face.
210 posted on 02/26/2002 6:17 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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Jim has told us we would receive 3/4 of your weekly pay. We are patiently waiting for that huge bonus.
Ah, yes. 75% of my weekly pay. I forgot. Here you go.
211 posted on 02/26/2002 6:20 PM PST by Lazamataz
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Is that your final answer? Someone else disagreed above.
(I point this out because this is what we do on the AR board. If someone feels strongly, they call it. If they are unsure or apathetic, they will ask for opinions).
If you are making the call, consider it gone. Tim
212 posted on 02/26/2002 6:21 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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"Look at me, My thread is in breaking news!"
There are a couple that want subcribe to that mindset. Maddening as heck, and you know who they are, every post is a BN story.
Sandy
213 posted on 02/26/2002 6:21 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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As with all of the decisions, your line is the only line when your moderator. If you feel this went over the line, he's toast. I can't give you an exact line on posts of this nature. I myself would have somewhat varying "lines" on different days. I'd try to be fairly steady with my decisions, but would likely have lower threshholds some days vs others.
214 posted on 02/26/2002 6:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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NEW AR
Regarding - This thread belongs on a CONDERVATIVE POLITICAL FORUM , exactly WHY ? Please look at this thread ( a posted PERSONAL E-mail which appears to be 1 side of an argument ! ) about a comic book character .
215 posted on 02/26/2002 6:23 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I have a request then. I would pull the word queer, I do not like that word at all
Oh, never mind what I said about the naked power of the FAB. =)
Shouuld we all submit the words we don't like?
What about fag, homo and queen? As a "fag hag" of sorts (thought I hang with a more esoteric group of old world queers as a rule and have yet to feel the slightest desire for one of my homosexual friends), it's possible I may be telling a story and step on a land mine simply for using the words I hear all the time from Them.
It's like the night I used the c-word without even thinking (it's STRICLTY VERBOTEN FOR ME, EVEN but I was in an art-speak of sorts and fell right into the language of a certain section of my art milieu).
I fail to see how you can have a homosexual movement known as "Queer Nation" and expect some poster to understand that it's somehow the equivalent of "nigger" and that only blacks can use the word (not that there is a "Nigger Nation" but it's certain bandied about in song titles, movies and other works of "art")
This is precisely the reason I think you guys have to stick to the TWO objective criteria:
Seriously, trying to please everyone is fruitless and only further cuts the buzz already infringed upon by your having to bop back and forth between identities.
Frankly, I'd err on the side of benign neglect until such time as the forum's begging for more. Particularly in public. There are plenty here who have no compunction about calling you to a thread and stating for any and all exactly on what grounds they've done so.
Frankly, when a poster doesn't have a problem being attacked (call me bimbo but it's stick and stones that break my bones) ... why not let a post stand and speak for itself?
Because chances are it will be dealt with on the thread. While I agree wholeheartedly that yours is now an essential function, one thing I've always liked about FR is the way the townspeople would lock up the drunk or run off the poacher or sharp.
It was exactly this self-policing function that set a certain tone for the place.
(And that tone was ruined by the bitter partisan and "pitchfork" politicking on the site during the election year, IMHO. You might as well buckle your seatbelts if this site goes primarily toward the election activity which quite natural becomes dueling personalities as well as free-for-all ugliness where a particularly loathsome opponent's concerned.)
I guess I was hoping this thread was going to ease your job to the cut and dried, not compound it with detail. You will regret this. The only thing worse than effective rule by fiat is ineffective rule by committee.
I think Iron Jack's nailed what I'm feeling.
216 posted on 02/26/2002 6:23 PM PST by Askel5
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The reason it was pulled is you didn't have any Anna pictures. sheesh.
Sandy
217 posted on 02/26/2002 6:23 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I think M Tatcher's take was as valid as my own. I think this person crossed the line. Imight have given them some slack, but certainly didn't need to. I like to see some things remain on the forum for others to reply to. It does provide a platform for people to make nice comments about Jim in return.
218 posted on 02/26/2002 6:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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Oops, forgot about it (hanging head in shame)and also forgot the crusader radio broadcast, sighhhhhhh, so much to remember. Past the POST-IT notes please.
219 posted on 02/26/2002 6:25 PM PST by dixie sass
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If you are making the call, consider it gone.
Oh, gee. I tend to go into "defend to the death mode" when someone I like is sullied, as you've probably noticed from my sword-up, rushing-to-defend-rush behavior.
On further thought, that's probably the kind of post that other freepers can take care of quite well.
220 posted on 02/26/2002 6:25 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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Agreed, but the "abuse" was just a photo of the actress from Seinfeld. Yawn.
And anyway, Miss Pretentious insists that her "middle name" is pronounced loo-WEE.
221 posted on 02/26/2002 6:25 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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Yeah, I'd delete that. Jerk. Don't burp in the host's face.
alcuin has been an obtuse mocker of all things Free Republic-ian for ages. His mockery is subtle but it is always there.
222 posted on 02/26/2002 6:25 PM PST by Lazamataz
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I think the word is inflammatory. I didn't ask for it to be pulled because I don't like it, I thought it should be pulled because it was inflammatory. Either way, whatever the policy is, it should hold across the board: all posts with it are pulled or no posts with it are pulled.
223 posted on 02/26/2002 6:27 PM PST by diotima
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ok.
By the way, Jim usually leaves up slams at him. And we generally leave up slams at us. Tim
224 posted on 02/26/2002 6:28 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I can't get the FR Radio link to open. (It's that damn Music Match thing.) How do I associate the file properly to make it stream?
(My machine's set to WinAmp as a rule -- faster and it doesn't phone home.)
225 posted on 02/26/2002 6:28 PM PST by Askel5
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'kay
226 posted on 02/26/2002 6:28 PM PST by dixie sass
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I've enjoyed spending some time in here discussing these issues. I would like to see one or two evenings a month opened up for discussion like this. I know it's helped me to understand the job you guys do, but then I've seen moderators on many other boards. If people think you folks are bad, they haven't been around much.
A certain amount of moderation has to take place. In the perfect ideal, none of us wants to see it. But then this is the real world.
Take care folks. Thanks for the discussion.
227 posted on 02/26/2002 6:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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yeah, I came to. see my post 220
228 posted on 02/26/2002 6:30 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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One important note: I see you occasionally mixing it up and having fun with the other users. I recommend against this! Catcalls of favoritism are inevitable. If you need to have fun -- and we all do -- slip out of your Admin uniform and use your street clothes (e.g., your real Freepname). It is only a suggestion, but I think it is an important one.
229 posted on 02/26/2002 6:31 PM PST by Lazamataz
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yeah, I came to. see my post 220
I think you were right the first time. :o)
230 posted on 02/26/2002 6:33 PM PST by Lazamataz
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NEW AR
Regarding #238 This post may be worth all of you moderators reading, if you have the time. I wrote it, so then again, it MAY not have a lot of redeeming points, lol.It seems someone did not like having that Aztlan post pulled.
231 posted on 02/26/2002 6:33 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I think M Tatcher's take was as valid as my own.
Nah. You were right.
Besides, I overdosed on the word "valid" when I was in college. Sort of like "existential." ; )
232 posted on 02/26/2002 6:34 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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Thanks Laz,
You may not realize this, but us mods talk to each other about daily issues and as a whole, we all believe this. The poster, the credibility of that poster, the history of that poster and the source reference have a factor. We are regularly consulting each other. Heck, we even have a 'spy' mod who frequents the unholy sites and posts the goings on there. Through our 'spy' we have been made aware of planned newbie attacks. Yes, we are the recipient of planned anti conservative attacks. Thanks to our spy, we have a heads up.
Sandy
233 posted on 02/26/2002 6:35 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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Perhaps the use of the word Qu--r can best be understood under those terms.
QUEER
That's how its spelled.
We're here - We're Queer and We're in Your Face.
Rush uses this on his Radio show.
It is sad that the FCC thinks its use is OK but certain people on FR now think it is not.
To equate the use of the word "Nigger" and "Queer" is abjectly silly and I refuse to waste the my time explaining the obvious distinction to the two of you.
234 posted on 02/26/2002 6:36 PM PST by Seeking the truth
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FABer's, check out the Aztlan site, it's something you need to be aware of. Sandy
235 posted on 02/26/2002 6:37 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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Taken under advisement. However, my experience is that those catcalls will come anyway, so I might as well enjoy myself. Besides, there has to be a PR part to this job otherwise people like Arator find a fertile ground for turning public opinion against us (something we also help when we make mistakes, as is inevitable). Tim
236 posted on 02/26/2002 6:38 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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Rush uses this on his Radio show.
You might be thinking of the feminist bit, "we're here, we're fierce, and we're in your face"
237 posted on 02/26/2002 6:39 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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OK, I was only equating them insofar as they are words that may only be used by people possessing their qualities, but not by others. (According to their own "rules") In that way, they are similiar. Do I think they have the exact same connotation, not really but they do have the same "type" of situation governing their use.
239 posted on 02/26/2002 6:41 PM PST by diotima
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I need an Advil
240 posted on 02/26/2002 6:41 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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By the way, Jim usually leaves up slams at him. And we generally leave up slams at us.
I'd like the same respect, actually.
There are some on the FAB, even, who find it necessary to slam me personally, and I'd just prefer to take my licks in public and defend myself, thanks.
241 posted on 02/26/2002 6:41 PM PST by Askel5
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"we're here, we're fierce, and we're in your face"
Every time I see that phrase, I can kinda hear it, repeating and getting faster and faster, while in the background someone is laughing.
Where have I heard that before? ;^)
242 posted on 02/26/2002 6:41 PM PST by Lazamataz
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We do that. Especially with long timers. Someone who joined yesterday, poof. Someone who has been here 1.5 years has much more consideration. Also, the number of replies and threads posted is a big factor. We see a lot of 'sleepers' who are long timers by their member since date, but have 7 replies and one thread. They start blasting their liberal speil, and the are gone. I believe many have multiple accounts and are laying in wait.
Sandy
243 posted on 02/26/2002 6:41 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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Abuse report: Would you please delete post #238 on this thread, based on its own internal logic?
244 posted on 02/26/2002 6:42 PM PST by Interesting Times
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In my opinion, worrying about how the Forum "looks" is like holding your finger in the dike. Eliminate the most abusive stuff and let the rest flow.
"The tighter you squeeze, the more star systems will slip between your fingers."
245 posted on 02/26/2002 6:42 PM PST by Bob J
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On any folder, hit View/Folder Options/File Types/Windows media player file/edit/play/OK
246 posted on 02/26/2002 6:42 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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Thanks. I'll pay my taxes with it. You wouldn't mind paying with pennies?
Sandy
247 posted on 02/26/2002 6:43 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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Sarcasm is only effective in 29% of cases.
248 posted on 02/26/2002 6:43 PM PST by Bob J
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I need a Midol.
249 posted on 02/26/2002 6:45 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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There really is no need for you to get sarcastic about it, I was offering my opinion on what I would do. I don't use the word, some people do use it. Fine. I am not going to go on the forum and call you or anyone else a gay basher for using it. I think the conditions set upon semantic matters by the PC crowd are absurd. However, I have gay friends that don't like being called "queer" by straight people, so I chose not to do so.
250 posted on 02/26/2002 6:45 PM PST by diotima
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